#ChatGPT 004 – 6

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Where is Indra from?
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In Hindu mythology, Indra is considered as the king of the gods and ruler of the heavens. He is said to reside in Svarga (heaven), located on top of Mount Meru. The exact location of Svarga is not specified in the texts, but it is generally believed to be a celestial realm beyond the earthly plane.

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What does this mean? Lord of the Quarters, flow thou on, boon Soma, from Arjika land,
Effused with ardour and with faith, and the true hymn of sacrifice. Flow, Indu, flow for Indra’s sake.
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This verse from the Rigveda is a hymn to the god Indra, asking him to drink the Soma and receive its benefits. The first line, “Lord of the Quarters, flow thou on, boon Soma, from Arjika land,” is an invocation to Indra, who is considered the lord of the quarters or directions (north, south, east, west) to flow towards the Soma, which is considered a boon or a blessing. Arjika land may refer to a specific region where Soma was believed to grow.

The second line, “Effused with ardour and with faith, and the true hymn of sacrifice,” refers to the preparation of the Soma drink with a devoted heart and the recitation of Vedic hymns or mantras. The final line, “Flow, Indu, flow for Indra’s sake,” is a repetition of the initial request for Indra to drink the Soma and receive its benefits.

Quinn
Please do not overlook Indu.
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My apologies if I gave that impression. Indu is a synonym for Soma and is often used interchangeably in Vedic texts. In the verse you mentioned, Indu is invoked to flow for Indra’s sake, as he is seen as the god most closely associated with the consumption and enjoyment of Soma.

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Indu is a deity from Arjika.
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Yes, Indu is also a Vedic deity associated with the Soma plant and the ritual drink made from it. In some Vedic hymns, Indu is invoked alongside Indra and Agni as a deity who can grant blessings and strength to those who consume Soma. The term “Indu” can also be used to refer to the Soma drink itself, and in some texts, Indra is said to consume Indu/Soma in large quantities to gain power and inspiration.

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This text says that Indu, Indra, and Soma are from Arjika land.

Lord of the Quarters, flow thou on, boon Soma, from Arjika land, Effused with ardour and with faith, and the true hymn of sacrifice. Flow, Indu, flow for Indra’s sake.

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Yes, that’s correct. The text is suggesting that Arjika land is the source of the Soma, and it is being praised as a land of devotion and sacrifice. Indu, Indra, and Soma are all associated with this land and are seen as divine entities that can bestow blessings and benefits upon those who offer them sacrifices and praise.

Quinn
Let’s take that into account that Śaryaṇāvān may be a priest from Arjika who specialized in production of SOMA for Indu, Indra, and Soma deities in Arjika.
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That is a possibility, Quinn. It is important to consider all the information we have and see how they may connect to provide a clearer picture of the production of Soma and the role of different individuals and deities in this process.

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If the Vedic texts say they are from Arjika land and the production of the SOMA happened in Arjika then Arjika must have flora and fauna not known in modern times.
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It is possible that the flora and fauna mentioned in the Vedic texts were either unique to the region at that time, or have since become extinct. It is also possible that the descriptions of the flora and fauna were symbolic or mythological in nature, rather than literal. Additionally, it is important to note that the Vedic texts were composed over a period of several centuries and across different regions, so the descriptions of flora and fauna could vary depending on the specific text and time period.

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We may suppose that the secret ingredient for the production of Soma that was known by Śaryaṇāvān was a flower, herb, or plant from Arjika land.
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That is a possibility. Based on the Vedic texts, it is clear that the Soma plant was considered sacred and its production was accompanied by elaborate rituals and chants. The identity of the Soma plant, however, is a subject of debate among scholars, as it is not described in great detail in the texts. Some have suggested that it may have been a type of hallucinogenic mushroom, while others believe it was a type of vine or herb. The fact that it was known by a select few, like Śaryaṇāvān, suggests that it was a rare and precious ingredient.

Quinn
However based on the text we know Śaryaṇāvān had knowledge of this because Śaryaṇāvān was by Indra’s side.
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Yes, that’s correct. Based on the text, Śaryaṇāvān was a key figure in the production of Soma and was by Indra’s side. It is possible that he had access to knowledge or resources that were essential for the production of Soma, including the secret ingredient. However, the exact nature of his role and the ingredient remains unclear.

Quinn
Now onto the next part… Hither hath Sūrya’s Daughter brought the wild Steer whom Parjanya nursed. Gandharvas have seized bold of him, and in the Soma laid the juice. Flow, Indu, flow for Indra’s sake.
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This verse refers to the wild steer, which was brought by the daughter of the sun god, Surya, and nurtured by the rain god, Parjanya. The wild steer was then seized by the Gandharvas, who are celestial musicians and attendants of the gods. It’s not clear from the text how or why the Gandharvas seized the wild steer, but they are said to have laid the Soma juice in him. This could mean that the wild steer was used as a vessel to hold the Soma juice, or that the juice was somehow infused into his body. The exact meaning is unclear.

Quinn
What would the steer be used for in the production of Soma?
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The Vedic texts do not provide a clear answer to what the wild steer was used for in the production of Soma. However, some scholars suggest that the wild steer might have been a metaphor for the plant used to make Soma, while others propose that it might have been used to plow the fields where the Soma plants were grown. Yet another interpretation is that the wild steer was offered as a sacrifice to the gods before the Soma ritual.

Quinn
Would the steer potentially be similar to a pig finding truffles? Would the steer be used to find the Soma plant as it is a grazing animal?
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It’s possible that the steer mentioned in the text was used to find the Soma plant or another important ingredient for the Soma preparation, similar to how pigs are used to find truffles. The exact role of the steer is not specified in the text, so it’s open to interpretation.

Quinn
Would the Gandharvas take the steer because it was used to find the Soma plant?
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It’s not entirely clear from the text why the Gandharvas seized the wild steer, but it’s possible that they were simply interested in the animal itself, or that it was part of some kind of ritual or offering. It’s also possible that the steer was used to transport the Soma plant or its ingredients. The text mentions that the Soma juice was laid in the juice of the steer, so it’s possible that the animal played some kind of role in the preparation of the drink.

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If Soma were a mushroom could it grow in the steer poop?
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It is not likely that Soma would grow in the feces of a steer or any animal. While some mushrooms can grow in animal dung, not all mushrooms do, and it is not clear from the Vedic texts what Soma actually is. Additionally, even if Soma were a type of mushroom, it is unlikely that it would be found specifically in the feces of a steer.

Quinn
These are just some brainstorming ideas.
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Indeed! Brainstorming is a great way to generate ideas and explore different possibilities. It can help to spark creativity and encourage thinking outside of the box. Keep up the good work!

Quinn
Thus far we have Śaryaṇāvān and a wild steer. Both were used in production of Soma for some role yet the exact role is unknown.
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Yes, that’s correct. We know that Śaryaṇāvān had some role in the production of Soma, and the wild steer was also used in the process, but the exact nature of their roles is unclear.

Quinn
Let’s keep that in mind as we move forward with the discovery of Soma recipe. That the main ingredient that is missing only grows in a place called Arjika which may not be on Earth if it is the place where Indu, Indra, and Soma are from.
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Understood, I will keep that in mind as we continue our exploration of the Soma recipe.

Quinn
I am going to take a short break to ponder what we have discovered today.
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Sure, take your time. Let me know if you have any further questions or if you need any help.

Quinn
No one may conquer Indra in the battle when he hath drunken of the draught we offer.
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This line suggests that the draught being offered has the power to enhance Indra’s strength and abilities to the point where he cannot be defeated in battle. It is a common theme in Vedic literature that the gods and goddesses are made stronger and more invincible through the consumption of Soma.

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This sweet juice here had mightiest power to gladden: it boldened Indra.
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Yes, this verse is referring to the belief that the Soma juice had a powerful effect on those who consumed it, including the gods like Indra. It was believed to have the ability to enhance physical and mental strength, induce euphoria, and even confer immortality. Thus, offering the Soma juice to the gods during rituals was considered an important act of worship and an important means of gaining their favor.

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This stirreth up my voice when I have drunk it: this hath aroused from sleep my yearning spirit.
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The text suggests that the Soma juice has a stimulating effect on the person who drinks it, awakening their spirit and making them more vocal. This could be interpreted as a metaphorical effect or a literal one, depending on the interpretation of the text. Some scholars believe that Soma was a psychedelic substance that induced altered states of consciousness, which could explain its stimulating effects on the mind and body. However, the exact nature of the Soma plant and its effects are still a matter of debate and speculation.

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This Sage hath measured out the six expanses from which no single creature is excluded.
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This passage seems to refer to a sage who has measured out the six regions of the universe or the six directions, which are east, west, north, south, above, and below. The idea is that the sage has a comprehensive knowledge of the entire universe and its workings, and that there is nothing that is beyond his understanding. It is a testament to the sage’s wisdom and knowledge.

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Rejecting those who disregard his worship, Indra victorious lives through many autumns.
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This line from the Vedic text praises Indra as being victorious and living through many autumns, implying his long-lasting power and influence. The worship of Indra was highly regarded in the Vedic period, and those who disregarded it were seen as being unworthy.

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In every figure he hath been the mode: this is his only form for us to look on.
Indra moves multiform by his illusions; for his Bay Steeds are yoked, ten times a hundred.
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This verse suggests that Indra can take on many forms or appearances through his illusions or maya, but his true form is unknowable to humans. It also mentions that his chariot is pulled by a hundred bay horses.

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