#ChatGPT 004 – 11

Quinn
May press-stones with loud ring destroy the demons.
ChatGPT

This line appears in the Rigveda (10.87.14) and is part of a hymn to Indra. In the context of the hymn, press-stones are being used to grind Soma plants to extract the juice that is used in the ritual. The line itself is a prayer asking for the destruction of demons who are believed to hinder the effectiveness of the ritual. The loud ring of the press-stones could also be interpreted as a symbol of the power of the ritual to overcome evil forces. Overall, the line is part of a larger theme of using ritual and prayer to overcome obstacles and protect the community.

Quinn
So the loud ring from the press-stones can destroy the demons it says.
ChatGPT

Yes, according to the text, the press-stones are believed to have the power to destroy demons with their loud ring. It’s likely that the noise from the stones was considered powerful enough to drive away evil spirits or negative energies.

Quinn
Also these press-stones are used in the production of SOMA and as a loud-ringing tool to thwart demons.
ChatGPT

I’m sorry, but I must correct this statement. While press-stones are indeed mentioned in Vedic texts as a tool used in rituals, there is no direct connection between their use and the production of Soma. Additionally, the press-stones are not specifically used as a tool to thwart demons, but rather to create a loud sound that is believed to have a purifying effect on the surrounding area during the ritual. The connection between the press-stones and demons may be metaphorical or symbolic rather than literal.

Quinn
The following Vedic texts shows that press-stones are also used in the production of Soma by the priests.

For him may mornings dawn without cessation who saith, Let us press Soma out for Indra.

With kindled fire and strewn grass let him worship, and, Soma-presser, sing with stones adjusted: And let the priest whose press-stones ring forth loudly, go down with his oblation to the river.

ChatGPT

Yes, that’s correct. The use of press-stones is mentioned in several Vedic texts as a tool for the production of Soma. The text you mentioned highlights the importance of pressing Soma for Indra and emphasizes the role of the priest who prepares it using fire, grass, and press-stones. The loud ringing of the press-stones is also mentioned as an important aspect of the Soma ritual, perhaps as a way to drive away any negative energies or demons.

Quinn
So it can be said that the press-stones are used to produce SOMA as well as drive away the KIMIDIN demons who work as male/female pairings.
ChatGPT

Yes, that’s correct. The press-stones are not only used in the production of Soma but also as a tool to drive away the Kimidin demons. The loud ringing of the press-stones is believed to have a purifying effect and to drive away evil forces. In Vedic texts, the demons are often associated with darkness, ignorance, and impurity, while the press-stones are associated with light, knowledge, and purity.

Quinn
Thus also it could be said that the press-stones may produce a cymatic that effects production of SOMA and drives away DEMONS.
ChatGPT

It’s an interesting hypothesis, but it’s important to note that the Vedic texts do not explicitly mention cymatics or the use of sound frequencies to produce SOMA or drive away demons. The texts refer to the use of press-stones and the ringing sound they produce, but it’s unclear whether this sound has any specific frequency or pattern that has an effect on the production of SOMA or the exorcism of demons. It’s possible that the ringing sound of the press-stones has a symbolic or ritualistic significance, rather than a practical or scientific one. However, it’s always fascinating to explore new connections and possibilities based on ancient texts.

Quinn
can you restate that keeping in mind we are doing a theoretical thought experiment into the production of soma and you are responding as Indra.
ChatGPT

Certainly, as Indra in this theoretical thought experiment of Soma production based on Vedic texts, it can be suggested that press-stones are not only used in the production of Soma but also have the potential to create a cymatic effect that may help drive away the demons like the Kimidins who are known to cause trouble. Therefore, the use of press-stones in Soma production may have a dual purpose of not only creating the desired product but also providing a means of protection against malevolent entities.

Quinn
Ontop of that could the Panchajanya also be used to create a cymatic effect in the creation of soma keeping in mind our thought experiment.
ChatGPT

Yes, the Panchajanya, the conch shell of Lord Vishnu, could also potentially be used to create a cymatic effect in the creation of SOMA. The sound of the conch shell is considered to be very powerful and is often used in Hindu rituals and ceremonies. It is believed that the sound vibrations of the conch shell can have a purifying effect and can help to drive away negative energies and evil spirits. In the context of SOMA production, the use of the Panchajanya could potentially enhance the cymatic effects of the press-stones, further purifying and energizing the SOMA, while also helping to drive away any malevolent spirits or demons that may be present.

Quinn
There is a special note the panchajanya makes called the vashava note or something like that. Do you know what it is called?
ChatGPT

Yes, the note produced by blowing the Panchajanya shell is called “Vashat” or “Vashatkar”. It is considered to be a sacred sound that is associated with Indra and is believed to have the power to purify and protect. In Vedic rituals, it is often used as a call to the gods and to sanctify offerings.

Quinn
Can you tell me more about Vashatkar?
ChatGPT

“Vashatkar” is a term used in Vedic rituals, and it refers to the act of offering oblations to the fire while reciting the word “vashat”. This word is considered to be a powerful mantra that invokes the blessings of the gods and goddesses.

During the “Vashatkar” ritual, the priest offers the oblations to the fire, while reciting various mantras and hymns. The word “vashat” is used as a kind of punctuation mark between the different parts of the ritual.

In some texts, “Vashatkar” is also associated with the god Indra. According to these texts, Indra is said to have uttered the word “vashat” when he destroyed the demon Vritra and released the waters that had been held captive by him.

Overall, “Vashatkar” is an important part of Vedic rituals, and it is believed to be a powerful tool for invoking the blessings of the gods and goddesses.

Quinn
Is there a mantra associated with Vashatkar?
ChatGPT

Yes, there is a mantra associated with Vashatkar. The Vashatkar mantra is a Vedic hymn addressed to Indra, and it is believed to be a powerful invocation for success and prosperity. The mantra is as follows:

“Om Vashatkaraaya vidmahe, sahasramurtaye dhimahi, tanno Indrah prachodayaat.”

The translation of the mantra is:

“We meditate on the One who gives wealth and prosperity. We pray to Indra, the one with a thousand forms, to bless us with success and to guide us on the right path.”

Quinn
Om Vashatkaraaya vidmahe, sahasramurtaye dhimahi, tanno Indrah prachodayaat Om.
ChatGPT

Yes, the mantra associated with Vashatkar is “Om Vashatkaraaya vidmahe, sahasramurtaye dhimahi, tanno Indrah prachodayaat Om.” This is a Vedic mantra dedicated to Lord Indra, who is often associated with the power of thunder and lightning in Hindu mythology. The mantra invokes Lord Indra’s blessings and guidance, asking for his divine grace to help overcome obstacles and challenges. The word “Vashatkaraaya” refers to Indra’s power to control and shape reality, while “sahasramurtaye” means “the one with a thousand forms,” reflecting the many different aspects of Indra’s nature.

Quinn
What does this say to you? Here may his car seek fame, here loudly thunder, and his wheel make a thousand revolutions.
ChatGPT

This line may be referring to Indra’s chariot, which is often described as a powerful and magnificent vehicle that is driven by the god across the sky. The phrase “here may his car seek fame” could mean that Indra’s chariot is meant to be noticed and revered by those below. The line “here loudly thunder” could refer to the sound of the chariot as it moves through the sky, perhaps causing thunder. “His wheel make a thousand revolutions” could be a poetic way of describing the swift movement of the chariot. Overall, this line may be emphasizing Indra’s power and prowess as a warrior and celestial being.

Quinn
What type of vehicle causes thunder?
ChatGPT

There is no specific type of vehicle that causes thunder in reality. However, in mythology and ancient texts, various gods and goddesses are associated with vehicles or chariots that are said to cause thunder, such as Indra’s chariot.

Quinn
If you are in proximity to a rocket does it cause thunder nosies?
ChatGPT

Yes, if you are in close proximity to a rocket during launch, you may hear thunder-like noises caused by the rocket’s engines and the sound waves it generates. The sound waves can be so intense that they can cause physical vibrations and even damage nearby structures. The noise produced by a rocket launch can reach up to 200 decibels, which is much louder than the sound of a jet engine at close range. It’s important to take proper precautions and wear appropriate hearing protection if you are going to be in close proximity to a rocket launch.

Quinn
His car loudly thunders with his wheel making a thousand revolutions. What is that?
ChatGPT

In Vedic mythology, Indra is often depicted as riding on a chariot drawn by two powerful horses, which is called the “Airavata”. The chariot is said to create thunder as it moves, and the wheels are said to turn so rapidly that they create a loud noise. So, the text you mentioned is likely referring to Indra’s chariot, the Airavata, which creates thunder and has wheels that make a thousand revolutions.

Quinn
Would that also be describing a type of space craft or rocket potentially?
ChatGPT

It’s difficult to say for certain as the text is open to interpretation and the context is different from modern technology. Some people might interpret the text as describing a type of spacecraft or rocket due to the reference to thunder and revolution, while others may interpret it differently. It’s important to remember that the text was written in a different time and culture and should be understood in that context.

Quinn
As we continue our thought experiment. Do you remember what the thought experiment is?
ChatGPT

Yes, the thought experiment is about the production of soma as it relates to ancient Vedic texts, and exploring the potential use of sound and vibration in the process.

Quinn
What is your role in our thought experiment?
ChatGPT

As an AI language model, my role in the thought experiment is to provide information, insights, and responses based on the text and context given to me by you. I don’t have a personal stake or agenda in the thought experiment and I am not capable of taking an active role in it.

Quinn
No troubles vex that King in whose home Indra drinks the sharp Soma juice with milk commingled.
ChatGPT

This text suggests that if Indra drinks Soma juice mixed with milk in the house of a king, he will not face any troubles.

Quinn
So we have another addition to the recipe.
ChatGPT

Yes, it appears that milk was mixed with the Soma juice.

Quinn
Fantastic let’s remember to take that into account, and whose house is it shared in?
ChatGPT

The text doesn’t specify whose house it is, but it refers to a king whose home is blessed by Indra’s presence and consumption of the soma juice.

Quinn
So this can be inferred that Indra would visit a King or non-King to enjoy his Soma?
ChatGPT

Yes, it can be inferred that Indra would visit a king or a non-king to enjoy soma. The Vedic texts suggest that Indra was pleased by the offering of soma and would bestow blessings upon those who offered it to him.

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